1. Mark B.
    Mark B. January 16, 2017 at 11:48 am

    I think you are correct that it will increase the competition for permits. Under this new system a fairly casual hiker or group can all throw a permit application in there just in case they decide to go and have the automated process do the hard work of daily submission. With no hurdle to clear it levels out the highly motivated with the barely motivated. Perhaps that is more fair to all though.

    Of course, I don’t know if there is any system that would really make it easier to actually get a permit, since it appears to be simply a function of too many people vying for a very limited number of available permits.

  2. Roleigh Martin
    Roleigh Martin January 17, 2017 at 9:27 am

    Ray, is this pretty much what you have to say about the new permit process in your book?

  3. Trinka Gillis
    Trinka Gillis January 17, 2017 at 9:40 am

    I’m curious how many permits will go unused.
    If you are issued a permit with a start day that you can’t use, is there any incentive to return/refuse it so someone else can take it?

  4. Dony Erwin
    Dony Erwin January 17, 2017 at 9:59 am

    Thanks for the update Ray. I’m assuming this won’t officially start until the 2018 season?

  5. Sarah
    Sarah January 17, 2017 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks for the heads up. I got my application prepared in December ready to submit in February and probably wouldn’t have realised about this change without your post.

  6. David Keck
    David Keck January 17, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    Kudos to you Ray for sorting this out and putting it in terms simple enough to understand. Last year our group of six tried for 30 days straight to get a permit from the valley and then gave up and registered the same day to go NOBO from Horseshoe Meadows. It added three days and some very enjoyable miles to our trek and a great time was had by all!

  7. Linda Selover
    Linda Selover January 17, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Thanks for the update. I have 1 section to do in Yosemite, Tuolumne Meadows over Sunrise to HD, climb HD, then go up to Cloud’s Rest and exit at Tenaya Lake. I am hoping to do that the end of May or beginning of June, but it depends on when the road to T.M. opens. I am wondering what the chances of a walk-up pass would be.
    I have previously done the HI to LYV and HD. Just wanted to do HD again.
    Then in August, I will go in at Onion Valley and back over Kearsarge to finish at Whitney. ( I did T.M. to OV this Sept/Oct. )
    Thanks, Linda

  8. Bob
    Bob January 17, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    Timely post, Ray! Some friends and I are planning to do a partial JMT hike this summer, and we are currently navigating the new permit process, along with figuring out everyone’s vacation schedule, last-minute gear buys, getting in shape, etc. Gonna be a fun adventure, even if we don’t do the whole thing. Personally, I’m using this as a training run for my eventual full hike….which keeps getting pushed, but remains on my to-do list. Thanks–as always–for good information and insights. Aloha!

  9. Kim steffes
    Kim steffes March 6, 2017 at 7:23 am

    Im confused about your example start. I was planning on Aug 25 and counted 170 days which brought me to March 8. Is there anyway to know 100% time to fax? Thanks

  10. Taylor Lehmann
    Taylor Lehmann July 31, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    I know its been a while since this thread was active and maybe I can find the answer elsewhere. My question is, can I apply for the reserve permit everyday until I’m approved, regardless of being automatically entered into the lottery? Or do I have to wait until the full 21 days is up to reapply?

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